Parade of Horribles – FT#161

11 Nov Parade of Horribles – FT#161

Posted at 00:06h in Fallacies by
1 Like

Powered by RedCircle

Show Notes

The Fallacy occurs when someone lists lots of unpleasant but theoretical (or made-up) outcomes that they insist would follow from an action.

Trump

We started out by discussing this compilation of Trump clips:

Mark’s British Politics Corner

Mark talked about Sunak and Starmer predicting bad things if the other one won:

He followed that up by talking about Johnson and Cameron’s competing Brexit claims:

And he finished with this example of Farage warning about immigration:

Fallacy in the Wild

In the Fallacy in the Wild we looked at this clip from Crazy Ex-Girlfriend:

Then we discussed this clip from Lincoln:

And we finished up with this clip from Ghostbusters:

 

Fake News

Here are the statements from this week’s Fake News game:

  1. Gettysburg. What an unbelievable battle that was. The battle of Gettysburg. What an unbelievable… I mean, it was so much and so interesting and so vicious and horrible and so beautiful in so many different ways. It represented such a big portion of the success of this country. Gettysburg wow. I go to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania to look and to watch.
  2. I’ve been there many times. Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. It’s a beautiful place. There’s not a lot to see, but when you know about the history you see a lot, and I know about the history. It was so important, and then Lincoln was there and he gave a speech. A lot of people say it was a good speech, I don’t know. No, it was great.
  3. The statement of Robert E. Lee – who’s no longer in favor, did you ever notice that? No longer in favor. ‘Never fight uphill, me boys, never fight uphill.’ They were fighting uphill. He said, ‘Wow, that was a big mistake.’ He lost his great general, and they were fighting. ‘Never fight uphill, me boys!’ But it was too late.

Mark got it wrong this week, and is on 51%!

 

The end of democracy is not a logical fallacy

We talked about the rather disappointing election results

 

The stories we really didn’t have time to talk about

  • Keen to distance himself from comparisons to Hitler, Trump chose the venue of the largest Nazi-supporting rally in US history for one of his last big campaign events. Just as we were recording our last episode, around 19,000 New Yorkers with poor decision-making skills crammed into Madison Square Garden to watch awful people say awful things. Racist roast comic Tony Hinchcliffe called Puerto Rico a floating island of garbage, but in his defence, he was also racist about Jews and Black people, so that’s totally fine and a great choice to open the rally. Hulk Hogan spoke and once again struggled to rip his t-shirt off, which you really think he would have practised after fucking it up so badly at the RNC. He also claimed “I don’t see no stinking Nazis in here”, presumably because the sunglasses he was wearing had been fully blacked out so he could performatively channel Horatio Nelson. All the speakers got WWE style entrance music, and it’s possible whoever chose the music was fucking with them. Trump lawyer Alina Habba, who cost him almost half a billion dollars when she lost his fraud case in New York, came on to DJ Khalid’s “All I do is win”, and Black Florida congressman Byron Donalds was introduced to the strains of Dixie – a song that originated in minstrel shows, typically sung by white performers in blackface. Tucker Carlson mocked Kamala’s mixed heritage, Sid Rosenberg called her husband a “crappy Jew”, and Steven Miller said “America is for Americans and Americans only”, almost directly quoting the aforementioned 1939 Nazi rally. When Trump finally took the stage he once again promised mass deportations and doubled down on racist debunked lies about Venezuelan prison gangs taking over apartment buildings in Colorado. And it all fucking worked. 
  • Poor deluded RFK Jr is labouring under the misapprehension that Trump gives a shit about returning any favours. He’s not the fucking godfather as much as he thinks otherwise – its always Donald as in Duck not Don as in Corleone. RFK Jr thinks he did Donnie the favour of dropping out of the presidential race and heaved all his massive (cough) support into endorsing Trump – though he still appeared on the ballot in some states and people still voted for him – yep that’ll please the Naranja-cist for sure! On Monday RFK said “The key, which President Trump has promised me, is control of the public health agencies, which is HHS, CDC, FDA, NIH and a few others. And also the USDA, which is, you know, key to making America healthy, because we’ve got to get off of seed oils and we’ve got to get off of pesticides … and we need to make that transition to regenerative agriculture,“. Now don’t be fooled by the joined up sentences he’s using or that he’s learned health-related acronyms, RFK is notoriously an anti-vaccine activist and founder of the Children’s Health Defense, a prominent anti-vaccine nonprofit that has campaigned against immunizations and other public health measures like water fluoridation. But Trump thinks “he’s a good man, and he believes, he believes the environment, the healthy people. He wants healthy people, he wants healthy food.” Given that Trump is the epitome of poacher turned gamekeeper that tells you all you need to know about RFK’s fitness for that office. The Trump campaign added that he will “work alongside passionate voices like RFK Jr. to Make America Healthy Again by providing families with safe food … by investigating what is causing the decades-long increase in chronic illnesses.” Trump’s predilection for feeding everybody McDonalds every chance he gets might have something to do with it.
  • Biden responded to Tony Hinchcliffe’s remarks about Puerto Rico while on a video call with Voto Latino, a civic engagement group. He said “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters.” Republicans who have spent nine years defending Trump’s demonization of Democrats all immediately clutched their collective pearls and wondered how anyone could possibly say such a mean thing. The White House claimed that there was actually an apostrophe in the word supporters, and Joe just meant that guy’s rhetoric was garbage, not the people themselves, and Kamala distanced herself from his comment, saying “I strongly disagree with any criticism of people based on who they vote for.” But you know what? No. Fuck them. A huge number of people who still support Trump and voted for Trump are garbage. Biden should have owned the comment. What are the Trump supporters going to do? Not vote for Kamala? Of course, by focusing entirely on Biden’s remark, Trump and co distracted everyone from the original horrendously racist comment made on his behalf by, well, being insane. Supporters showed up to vote dressed in garbage bags which they had trouble justifying when Davram Stiefler of The Good Liars questioned their logic:


    . Meanwhile, Trump kicked off his next rally in Green Bay by wearing a reflective orange vest which matched his face almost exactly, and rode around the parking lot in a garbage truck. Well, he did after he finally managed to get into the truck, having missed the door handle on the first couple of attempts and nearly falling on his ass. But hey, just because he can’t open a door, close an umbrella, hold a glass of water in one hand or walk down a ramp, I’m sure he’s still capable of running the entire fucking country, right? Not that we’re been hurting for metaphors for the upcoming Trump administration lately, but an old guy cosplaying as a useful worker being driven in circles in a garbage truck emblazoned with his name does seem apropos. And it fucking worked! 

  • In The Haunting of Alma Fielding, the true tale of a 1930s British housewife who complained of a poltergeist in her home, the investigation of which by the London Spiritual Institute was subsequently debunked in favour of an assessment by Sigmund Freud no less. Freud agreed that Alma’s ‘visitations’ were the result of repressed experience of abuse as a child. Tucker Carlson similarly told us of claw marks left by a demon that attacked him in the night a year and a half ago, and now he’s seemingly revealed that these are the same demons that invented nuclear technology. On a sensible, reasonable, investigative and reputable podcast hosted by – er – Steve Bannon – okay scratch those epithets – Carlson began straightforwardly enough “Nuclear weapons are demonic, there’s no upside to them at all” Fair enough Tuck, bit flowery and archaic but with you so far,  “and anyone who claims otherwise is either ignorant” yeah okay, bit confrontational but I get your passion “or doing the bidding of the forces that created nuclear technology in the first place” okay yeah, could be siding with the enemy and so on,  “which were not human forces obviously”. Whaaa-aat? “Let me ask you this,” he continued. “What was the moment we can point to that nuclear technology was invented? I’ve never met a person who can isolate the moment where nuclear technology became known to man. German scientists in the 1930s? Really? Name the date?” Okay, I think like most scientists involved in scientific endeavours the likes of Otto Hahn, Nils Bohr and ooh maybe even Albert Einstein did do a lot of writing things down, so there’s that you could look at. “It’s very clear to me that these [nuclear weapons] are demonic.” and that’s  the conclusion you reach for your lack of knowledge of the history of atomic physics?! Are we surprised that you’ve never met a person who can isolate the moment? They’re not really your tribe I’d say Tucker, you’re more the bro-science, ball-tanning, end-of-men kinda demographic – the kinda people that don’t do a lot of book learnin’ is what I’m trying to say. However a quick sweep of Wikipedia would probably reveal all you’d need to know to learn that demons didn’t really have so very much to do with it – or a quick squiz at an Oscar-winning Christopher Nolan movie would at least let you hear about the cast of likely characters involved in nuclear research in the 30’s, just sayin’. Perhaps we, like Freud, should possibly conclude childhood trauma is at the heart of Tucker Carlson and extend our sympathetic embrace, you know much like Carlson’s wife and four dogs asleep in his bed did when the “demon” left claw marks on him 18 months ago. Still could be worse; a worm coulda eaten his brain and he could be prospecting for the job as Health Secretary.
  • Since Nixon and Hubert Humphrey in 1968, both major party Presidential candidates for every election have sat down with 60 Minutes for an interview in the closing months of the campaign. This year, as usual, both candidates were invited, both accepted, and then Trump chickened out. The first reason given, by Trump spokesman Steven Cheung, was that they insisted on fact-checking which, he claimed “is unprecedented”. You might not be surprised to learn that 60 Minutes fact-checks every story they do. Later, Trump claimed that the reason he ran away like a little pussy was because 60 Minutes had never apologized for his interview in 2020 when Lesley Stahl claimed Hunter Biden’s laptop came from Russia. She never actually claimed that. Kamala did show up for her interview though, and Trump made the best of it by calling the fact the interview was edited, “election interference”. In all his years of experience of TV production, you see, he’s used to things just going out live – they definitely didn’t edit out all the n-words he used on the set of the Apprentice. Anyway, 60 Minutes gave a clip of one of Kamala’s answers to Face the Nation to get some promotion of the interview earlier in the day, but used a more succinct clip in the actual show. This, Trump claimed, was irrefutable proof (although he probably pronounced it irefuttable) that CBS was deliberately interfering on Kamala’s behalf. All this happened several weeks ago, and it was such a dumb story we didn’t even cover it, but turns out that maybe it wasn’t quite dumb enough to pique our interest, because now it’s got 400% dumber, and here we are. Because last week Trump sued CBS for $10 billion in a federal court in Texas. Why Texas? Well, they specifically chose the Northern District of Amarillo – a remote venue with only one judge, a 2019 Trump appointee named Matthew Kacsmaryk. If that name feels familiar, maybe it’s because he’s the judge who tried to suspend the FDA’s approval of the abortion drug mifepristone. In fact, according to Accountable.US, Republican-led states and right-wing special interest groups have funnelled 14 cases to Judge Kacsmaryk’s court, nearly all of which have had very little reason to be filed in that specific venue, and all of which Kacsmaryk has nonetheless accepted. Trump’s case against CBS relies on a Texas law that prevents advertisers misleading the public about products. Yes, you’re right, that’s insane, and Harvard Con Law professor Noah Feldman called it “an outrageous violation of First Amendment principles”, but on the other hand Kacsmaryk hasn’t felt particularly tied to actual law in the past, so this’ll probably fucking work too.  
  • In a video posted on X and other social media sites a man claims “Yesterday, we voted in Gwinnett County, and today we’re voting in Fulton County,” “We have all our documents, driver’s licence. We invite all Haitians to come to America and bring families.” It ticked all the boxes – voter fraud, targeting the places targeted last time, oh and throw in some recent pet-chomping allusions at the same time. It’s of course all fake. In a statement, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the FBI and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) said the intelligence community “assesses that Russian influence actors” manufactured the video.  And Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said his office was working with state and federal partners to determine the source and urged X owner Elon Musk and the “leadership of other social media platforms” to remove the video. It’s all a bit academic now but you can see the extent of the groundwork put in by – could it be the Trump team? Just asking! – the groundwork laid should the result not have gone the far right way so it could all be pulled out and aired as part of The Big Lie 2.0. When contacted by CBS News in direct messages on X, the person behind the account posting the video said they received the video from a source who regularly pays them to upload content. They also said they believe the source is from Australia and that the source’s account was recently suspended on X. The intelligence agencies added “This Russian activity is part of Moscow’s broader effort to raise unfounded questions about the integrity of the US election and stoke divisions among Americans.” And all you can do is heave a sigh and note how everyone involved with Trump was intent on doing exactly the same thing too – and the only, somewhat horrifying, conclusion we can reach is that it worked. But props to Raffensperger and all his people for upholding the rule of law and nailing the fakers one by one, like a flea biting an elephant eventually it’ll kill it, and annoy the fuck out of it along the way.
  • Fans of movie stunts know there are some epic falls that are hard to beat. Jackie Chan sliding down a massive glass building in Who Am I? for example. Jean Paul Belmondo’s incredible fall down a rocky slope in The Burglar, or the award-winning fall down a seemingly never ending hill in The Rundown. But never has a fall been more entertaining than Rudy Guiliani’s fall from grace. Arguably starting in earnest exactly four years ago tonight in the parking lot of Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Philadelphia, Rudy has hit tree after metaphorical tree on the way down and found himself in court once again today because he still hasn’t handed over all his worldly belongings to the poll workers he defamed on Trump’s behalf – an indignity Trump still hasn’t paid him for. Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss were awarded $148 million in damages last year and Rudy just didn’t pay up. Presumably he was hoping that if he delayed for long enough and Trump got in, then he could somehow get the Supreme Court to make him immune from defamation or something. Anyway, eventually the judge ruled that they get to just have all his stuff, including his $5 million Manhattan apartment, a 1980 Mercedes convertible once owned by Lauren Bacall, 26 luxury watches, his TV, furniture, and sports memorabilia. They showed up at the apartment last week with their attorney and a moving company to estimate the cost of collecting their stuff, and found that it had been virtually emptied a few weeks before. When ordered to court to explain this, Rudy’s lawyer claimed he couldn’t come because he was doing a live radio show in Florida that day, but the Judge was unsympathetic. When he did show up in court, his lawyers claimed that they didn’t know where all his stuff was (despite the fact Rudy was seen driving around in the Mercedes in Palm Beach on Tuesday), and anyway, Moss and Freeman are being vindictive in trying to make him pay what he owes them. That actually made the Judge a bit angry, and he pointed out that it doesn’t matter if you’re a bodega owner or the former Mayor, “If they owe a debt, they owe a debt”, gave him a deadline of November 14th to hand over all his stuff and added  “If he hasn’t delivered and there was a way in which he could have delivered, then there’s going to be contempt sanctions.”
  • In other election news this side of the pond MP Kemi Badenoch who reportedly could start a fight in an empty room has won the Leadership election and is now the Leader of the Tory Party. Thankfully not her rival Robert Jenrick cos he would have re-employed haunted pencil Jacob Rees-Mogg as party chair! In a report of the content of her first shadow cabinet meeting leaked to the Spectator magazine, Badenoch wants shadow cabinet meetings to be a safe space for political debate and to be impervious to leaks. Her cabinet consists of luminaries that Badenoch herself said she was better than, insofaras she’d not been associated with any scandal or sacked. Smirking bully Priti Patel, investigated and disgraced Robert Jenrick and leadership race loser Mel Stride. Despite their presence ‘The Tory right is not really there,’ said one shadow cabinet member. ‘It’s a very “one-nation” team.’ Given that she won only the support of a third of MPs in the parliamentary rounds it means some in that ‘one-nation’ party are already speculating as to whether she will lead them into the general election. Could mean we get James “let’s be more normal” Cleverly back again oh joy! Meanwhile grotesque populist racist frog-face Nigel Farage has been ensuring he works for his constituents in Clacton by flying to Mar-a-Lago to be seen beside the grotesque populist racist Toad King. Nigel alienated his electorate still further by reporting how happy he was to be in Florida instead of ‘dreary England’ and offered to be the go-between between Trump and Starmer’s Labour government. Keir’s team politely declined, I suspect they also impolitely laughed so much two jets of tea shot out of their noses!

You can now buy Jim’s book, 2000 Mules and One Big Lie: A Stubborn Conspiracy Theory

Create your podcast today! #madeonzencastr

That’s almost all for this week, but here’s our AI-aided and minimally hand-edited transcript which is at least quite accurate, but not totally:

Parade of Horribles Fallacy – FT#161 Transcript

Jim: Hello, and welcome to Fallacious Trump, the podcast where we use the insane ramblings of Groper Cleveland to explain logical fallacies. I’m your host, Jim.

Mark: And I’m your other host, Mark. A logical fallacy is an error in reasoning that results in bad or invalid arguments. And the logical fallacy we’re looking at this week is Parade of Horribles, appropriately enough.

Jim: Yeah. So, I mean, normally we would just go straight into the fallacies, but it feels weird not to at least acknowledge the facts.

Mark: Yeah. Acknowledge it rather than leave it to the middle. Yeah, yeah, we’re gonna.

Jim: We’re gonna.

Mark: I mean, after two days, after.

Jim: No one’s getting their news from us, but Trump won, in case you haven’t heard yet.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: So we’re gonna have to talk about that later and for the next at least four years.

Mark: Yeah, yeah, I know that somebody posted when, when we were kind of going, oh, my God. Somebody went, oh, yeah, another four seasons of Trump then. Yeah. So I liked Harris’s thing when she said, yeah, well, we just have to accept it and, hopefully it won’t be as bad as we think.

Jim: I mean, I preferred that to, it’s all a lie, I won. Really. And then attacking the Capitol. Yeah, I think of the two.

Mark: Well, actually, that was my next thought was actually, at some point, the Democrats are just going to have to do that. They’re just going to have to resort to that. The lie. Because it doesn’t seem to work. If you tell the truth, stick to policies and be reasonable.

Jim: Yeah. There’s going to need to be some kind of change vote.

Mark: You’ve got to be populist and awful and racist and, misogynist, and then.

Jim: You get all the things you don’t. Right. I don’t think. Well, we’ll talk about it later. But I don’t. I don’t think we need to become them to beat them. Okay.

Mark: Right. Oh, no, no. But it seems to be a positive boon.

Jim: There’s definitely changes. I think that probably need to happen anyway.

Mark: Also. What. What is it? What is it with you, usa? Why can’t you just vote a woman in Hell yeah. We did it twice over here.

Jim: We did it ages ago.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: I mean, admittedly that first one went wrong and also the second time.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: And I mean, the third time wasn’t great, but. Yeah, but come on. At some point.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Oh, God. Anyway, let’s get on with this. We’ll do the thing, we’ll do our job roughly. And then.

Mark: And then we’ll come back and then we’ll talk about. And then just sit about and kind of sigh. Yeah.

Jim: Okay, so a parade of horribles.

Mark: Parade of horribles is.

Jim: In one sense it’s a literal parade in that it’s a thing that used to happen. It still does happen in some kind of coastal communities in Massachusetts, in some New England towns on the 4th of July, they have a parade of people dressed up as kind of scary things.

Mark: Oh, okay.

Jim: But as a rhetorical device.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: I think of it as kind of like a flat slippery slope.

Mark: Yes, that was. That’s my visualization.

Jim: So for a slippery slope, you would talk about an event happening.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: And then that will lead onto this, and then that will lead on to this and all of those things. And usually if it’s a well constructed slippery slope, it starts with something that realistically is likely to follow on but isn’t necessarily that bad. And we’ll get to something which everyone agrees is bad.

Mark: Eating your own hair.

Jim: Yeah, but with a parade of horribles, it’s basically just all the bad things will happen if this one thing is all lined up.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: So right.

Mark: O.

Jim: For our Trump example.

Jim: Rather than lots of little individual examples.

Mark: Right.

Jim: I edited together, together a few clips of the things that Trump said would happen if Kamala Harris were to be elected.

Mark: Right.

Jim: Because the reasoning for all of them is the same, largely.

Donald Trump: If Harris gets in, energy prices will skyrocket far more than even in Europe. Because if we don’t win on November 5th, I think our country is going to cease to exist. It could be the last election we ever have. I actually mean that now. Kamala is promising communist price controls on food. Her plan will cause catastrophic inflation, shortages of rationing, the restaurant industry will be obliterated. And I say welcome to 1929. If I don’t win, you will have no auto industry. Within two to three years, it’ll all be gone. Well, if I don’t win, that means your taxes are going to go up fourfold. And she’s coming for your money, she’s coming for your pensions, and she’s coming for your savings. Unless you defeat her in November. And want to take away your guns. Remember that. Always remember that. If Kamala Harris gets four more years, your family will frankly, never recover. You’re never going to recover. If she gets four more years,

00:05:00

Donald Trump: the world goes up in smoke. If we don’t win this election, you won’t have books anymore. You won’t be doing anything. You have a dead country. If Kamala Harris gets four more years, she will deindustrialize the United States and destroy. Destroy our country. We will become virtually a banana republic. Terrorists will appoint hundreds of extreme far left judges to forcibly impose crazy San Francisco liberal values on Americans nationwide. If we don’t win, I think our country is finished. I do. I believe our country is finished.

Mark: Yeah, well, there’ll be a shortage of rationing.

Jim: Shortage of rationing. That sounds all right.

Mark: That’s a good thing.

Jim: Oh, yeah. I’m on board with a shortage of rationing. So the thing about this as a fallacy is that it’s not a fallacy if the things you’re talking about will be likely to follow from the event that you’re talking about and that those things are bad. And all of the stuff that Trump was talking about there, except for a shortage of rationing, is bad, but none of it was coherent, let alone likely to follow from Kamala Harris being elected. When there is a group, for example, like the Heritage foundation, who has put together a document like the Project 2025 kind of manual for the second Trump presidency, and it contains lots of bad stuff, talking about those bad things in relation to the things that Trump and his allies would like to do if he were to be elected.

Mark: Right.

Jim: Isn’t a fallacy.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Because, I mean, they’ve literally written down what it is. Here’s what we’d like to do and how we’d like to do it and how we plan to achieve it. So talking about those things, no matter how much Trump disavows it and claims that it’s not his thing, when he’s m named in it, like 60 times, it’s not fallacious. It might be if we’re being generous. It might be questionable to connect Project 2025 to Trump that much when he’s saying he hasn’t got anything to do with it. If we don’t have an enormous amount of prior experience of Trump always lying about that kind of stuff.

Mark: I mean, at the very least, it’s could possibly be dismissed as hyperbole if you say, well, yeah, you get Trump and then you get all of these horrible things in. Yes, so it’s that. Because they are horrible things. So you might be using a bit of hyperbole in order to warn people off it, but you’re not committing a policy because they are all written down.

Jim: Yes.

Mark: That’s.

Jim: Whereas you can read it suggested would happen were a plan written down by or on behalf of Kamala Harris. That doesn’t even count the things like the Green New Deal stuff that. Not the real Green New Deal, but the Green New Deal stuff he claimed like getting rid of cows and buildings with windows and things like that.

Mark: Right.

Jim: That he said was an inevitability if, if Harris got in. So by positioning the choice that you don’t want people to make as a starting point of all of this bad stuff happening when there isn’t really anything to link those two together. Fallacious.

Mark: Yeah. It’s like the. This is the gateway to hell. If you open this gate, then this stuff comes out. You’re. It’s. It’s the. It’s Pandora. The Pandora’s box. Yeah. A parade of horrible Pandora boxness.

Jim: And now is the time, I think, for Marx. British politics corner.

Mark: Some of the things we know that went on in the election campaign between Sunak and Starmer, were just out and out lies, like Sunak said. Oh, yeah, if you vote Star in, then everybody’s taxes will go up by 2,000 pounds per person, which completely made up. And actually using the same measurement that they applied, their taxes would go up by £3,000 per person. So there’s those kind of things which are hyperbolic and, lies. So what I’ve done is quite inspired by the reverse acceptance speeches that I did last time. Thought, oh, yeah, well, let’s just go through and have a look at what Sunak and Starmer said in their campaign speeches towards the end of the campaign. And did they run through a litany of things that would happen if you voted for the other guy? And actually it was a lot harder finding examples of where Starmer had said it because he was about promoting the Labour part. I think there’d been a lot of work by his campaign that said you’ve got to stop focusing on their failures and you’ve got to start positioning yourself as the new guy and the candidate for change. So that was his whole spiel. That’s the Blair playbook. What you’ve got to do is put yourself up front. So we are the candidate for change. Change. Change, change. Us. Us. us. Rather than don’t vote for them because they’re awful. What you’re Doing is just talking about them all the time. And actually what his campaign did was let Sunak do that. Then they could just go, oh, well, that thing’s wrong and that thing’s wrong. So here is. Or here are Sunak and Starmer.

00:10:00

Mark: Yeah. Between them, the. Pretty much the last speeches they made on their campaign in the summer, he.

Rishi Sunak: Would make us, the soft touch of. Europe, go off to the NATO summit. Having cut those plans, putting us at. The back of the room, sending a. Signal of weakness, an ideological hock to the eco extremists. He would hike taxes by thousands of pounds. They will tax it. They are socialists. They believe that your money belongs to them.

Keir Starmer: Imagine waking up on Friday morning, five. More years of the Tories. They’ll be emboldened in title, thinking they. Can get away with anything. Constantly seeking to undermine what’s going on. Here in Wales, get rid of national insurance, rummaging around in the toy box. To try and find any plan.

Mark: So soft touch at the back of the room in hock to the whatever’s their socialists and rummaging around in the toy box to find a plan. Say, say that’s if you vote for the other guy. That’s what you get. You get a soft touch and a declaration of weakness and a rummaging around in the toy box trying to find a plan. And then it occurred to me, oh, there was that whole thing that we did in 2016 where we decided that if we stayed in Europe it would be awful and if we left Europe, that would be awful too. So there was a very diametrically opposing set of views. So here is, David Cameron and Boris Johnson talking about the consequences of leaving or remaining the euro.

Boris Johnson: So much is now decided by the European institutions. £350 million a week overall goes to, Brussels. Politicians in this country are no longer really able to control our borders. Fisheries policy have been absolutely destructive.

Mark: So notice that actually the things that Cameron said, all of them were, true. All of them came true, but at the time it was seemed to be scaremongering and Project Fear. and all of the things that Boris has said are just bollocks. It’s all of its lies. Take back control of the borders. the EU are making decisions, despite us. And Cameron says, well, they’ll carry on doing that. Like the plastic we’ve just got in Britain recently, plastic bottles have a screw top. It used to come all the way off. Now it stays put and you have to unscrew it and then flip it back and that’s a European directive.

Jim: Everyone is now pissed off about it. It’s so pathetic.

Mark: Yeah, it’s just.

Jim: It’s fine. It really isn’t that big a deal.

Mark: It’s a perfectly good thing. It’s a good idea because what it means is those bottle tops don’t fall off and end up in the stomachs of baby seagulls.

Jim: You have to be someone out of an infomercial to not be able to drink with one of those caps on your bottle.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Like. Yeah. Just kind of accidentally pouring it all over your head and going, there’s got to be a better way.

Mark: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. But that’s a European derivative. And yes, Cameron was right. We are still getting things as a result of Europe. We just don’t get to say anything about it. Also note that Cameron talks about the experts. And remember when Gove said we’ve the British people have had enough of experts. Well, in the Tory leadership contest, Michael Gove warned that Robert Jenrick looks like a typical Tory politician and told the BBC that the public had had enough of Tory boys.

Jim: God’s sake.

Mark: Yeah, Michael Gove.

Jim: Michael Gove has had enough of Tory boys.

Mark: Classic Tory boys. He is the epitome of a Tory boy.

Jim: He’s not wrong. Yeah, he’s just. He’s just like 15 years out of date and also one of them.

Mark: And also completely unaware of the fact that he said exactly the same thing about the. About experts.

Jim: Yeah.

Mark: You know, and he’s now an expert on the fact that people have had enough of Tory boys. So we couldn’t let the parade of horribles pass without reference to the one man horrible parade. Nigel Farage, who plied his same old furrow of popular racism on Australian Sky News in April before he reran as leader of reform in the election.

Nigel Farage: The country is. Many parts of it are becoming literally unrecognizable. Maybe the Labour Party will give them all the vote gerrymandering on the most humongous scale. They all stick together, far from integrating, develop utterly separate communities. A by election to the British Parliament in Rochdale won by and outright

00:15:00

Nigel Farage: openly Islamist candidate. These are the consequences. Hundreds of thousands again marching in London on Saturday, some actually carrying swastikas. That’s what you get if you do this irresponsibly.

Mark: So you’ve got all these immigrants coming in and Labour could give them the vote, which would be gerrymandering on a humongous scale. Well, it’s. They’re not going to give them the votes. Well, they might do if they’re processed and they’re given asylum, then you’re allowed to become ultimately a citizen and vote. But what Farage’s technique is, is to come up with something and then, employ a little slippery slope in the middle of his horrible parade. And it’s so awful that somebody stood as an actual active current Islamist by emphasizing the words and you’re supposed to go, grr. Increasingly each word and places are literally unrecognizable. Well, I don’t know that that’s the case. And then the consequences are if you let immigrants in, then there will be thousands marching with swastikas. And apparently he doesn’t like that idea, even though that’s exactly what he’d like to happen because then he would run to the front and say, hire me.

Jim: There’s a shockingly high proportion of those people who are Farage fans. Yes. They’re not. Not his people.

Mark: Yes, exactly. So he’s kind of plays, he’s going, yeah. you see, if you, if you let immigrants in, then what that does is increase the number of Nazis on the street because somebody in the middle is saying two tier policing and there’s an Islamist standing. Well, basically he was representing his, you know, he was town. Nothing wrong with that. As a representative, you’re perfectly entitled to stand for office. Okay, He’s a practicing Muslim. He’s just not a, he doesn’t have to be a Christian. How much more integrated into British society could you get than standing for to be a Member of Parliament, to go into the house of the Parliament and you know, in the way that Farage does the same thing,

Mark: circle jerks there with Parade of the Horribles.

Jim: So in the Fallacy in the Wild, we like to talk about the fallacy of the week from a non political perspective. And our first example this week comes from the brilliant Rachel Bloom in Crazy Ex Girlfriend. And in this episode she is trying to kind of rally the other people in her apartment complex because the landlord is not fixing their hot water, which isn’t working right. And so she is giving them reasons that they need to do that.

Rebecca Bunch: Imagine Your kids taking a shower before they go to school. They douse their skin with ice cold water. A huge shock to their little systems. At first it’s downright unpleasant, but then it gets them wired in a way they’ve never felt. And they think to themselves, that shower felt great. Maybe I’ll try cocaine. So your son’s on coke, your daughter’s pregnant and your husband’s probably having an affair. Apocalypse, just like the movie I Am Legend, but not like that at all.

Jim: so good. Excellent. So, yeah, all of these things will somehow.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Come from.

Mark: As a result of.

Jim: Yeah, yeah. Because cocaine, pregnancy, affairs and Apocalypse, just like I Am Legend. They’re not like that at all.

Mark: Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

Jim: This is a lovely kind of parody of the. You’re Got Trouble from the Music man, this particular song. And it works just so well.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: And all of those things are, a, direct result basically of cold water.

Mark: Yeah. Of having no hot water. Yeah, yeah.

Jim: So our, next example

00:20:00

Jim: is from Lincoln. And this is while they are debating in Congress about whether they should repeal slavery.

George Yeaman: Although I’m disgusted by slavery, I rise on this sad and solemn day to announce that I’m opposed to the amendment. We must consider what will become of colored folk if 4 million are, in one instant set free.

Asa Vinter Litton: They’ll be free, George. That’s what will become of them.

Richard Schell: Think how Splendid if Mr. Yeaman switched

Robert Latham: too publicly against us. He can’t change course now,

W.N. Bilbo: not for. Some miserable little job anyway.

George Yeaman: We will be forced to enfranchise the men of the colored race. It would be inhuman not to. Who among us is prepared to give Negroes the vote? And what shall follow upon that? Universal enfranchisement? Votes for women.

Jim: There’s a little bit of a slippery slope in there. Yeah, yeah. In suggesting that once you’ve given black people the vote, then you have to give it to women too. And that’s just crazy. Yeah, everyone’s really upset by that option. But yeah, the whole point is, well, if we stop slavery, we’ll have all of these huge problems like them being free.

Mark: What.

Jim: What will happen then? And, all of the voting.

Mark: So, yeah, yeah, yeah, they. Interestingly, there’s. I think there’s probably a bit of, Parade of Horribles going on with the call for the British government to pay reparations for the British Empire’s part in the slave trade. And so they’re kind of saying that the UK can’t apologize because the case against it, which is pretty much watertight, might then become a Legal petition. And so Britain won’t apologize because if they do, this might pave the way for reparations. And one of the things that came up in the Badenoch generic leadership debate was that what will happen then is the brave sailors who sailed the Atlantic in order to prevent the slave trade from happening will get forgotten.

Jim: What?

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Okay.

Mark: Yeah. And, this. This said by Badenoch, who is black and grew up in a Commonwealth country, which basically, a Commonwealth country is one that used to be enslaved by the British Empire and is now called something different to make it feel a bit less. Slavery. Yes, yes. A member of the Commonwealth. Yeah. And she says, oh, yeah, now it’s more important to remember the people that fought against slavery and, in. During that time, because it’s not.

Jim: Possible to do both, obviously.

Mark: Oh, no. God, no. Because you know that without. Can’t do that. Because where would that end? People would vote for both women into leadership roles. Heaven forbid.

Jim: So our final example in this section is from Ghostbusters. And, this, I think, is kind of.

Mark: It’s kind of the ultimate one. Kind of the ultimate one, yeah.

Jim: Because this is when the Ghostbusters are trying to convince the mayor to take them seriously and, give them the right and resources, I guess, to go after all the ghosts.

Peter Venkman: Well, you could believe Mr. Pecker.

Walter Peck: My name is Peck.

Peter Venkman: Or you could accept the fact that this city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportion.

The Mayor: What do you mean, biblical?

Ray Stanz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor. Real wrath of God type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.

Egon Spengler: 40 years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes.

Winston Zeddeman: The dead rising from the grave.

Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice. Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria.

The Mayor: Enough. I get the point.

Jim: So tutor. Brilliant. And the reason this kind of falls into the fallacy is apart from the fact it’s a large parade of bad things.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: They’re not really sure what the outcome’s going to be, so they’re kind of just making up bad things that could happen.

Mark: Big bad things.

Jim: Yeah.

Mark: Cats and dogs living together.

Jim: Absolutely. Worst possible things.

Mark: Yes.

Donald Trump: So we’re gonna. We’re gonna play Fake News, folks. I love the game. It’s a great game. I understand the game as well as anybody. As well as anybody.

Jim: Yes. It’s time for Fake News, the game where I read out three trump quotes, two of which are real and one I made up. And Mark has to figure out which one is fake news.

Mark: Because coincidentally, if you don’t let me win, then the integrity of all future games ever played will be at

00:25:00

Mark: stake, the earth will split and burning fire will rain down upon mankind, obliterating all human life in an apocalyptic extinction. And then a chance of scattered showers, slight mist, and the likelihood of a frost overnight.

Jim: Yeah, I mean, that’s a chance I’m just going to have to take, so.

Mark: Yeah, we’ll see. Yeah, Good luck.

Jim: Yeah, yeah. on my own head be it. So, yeah. Our theme this week.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Is Trump’s deep historical understanding of Gettysburg and its importance in American history.

Mark: Yeah. Is that the one where they captured the airport?

Jim: Yeah, yeah, one of those. I say theme. This is really all from one speech and he’s a fucking idiot, so I don’t know why. Which one of these. Yeah, these things that he knows nothing about, but he will. He will do so. Statement number one. Gettysburg. What an unbelievable battle. That was, the battle of Gettysburg. What an unbelievable. I mean, it was so much and so interesting and so vicious and horrible and so beautiful in so many different ways. It represented such a big portion of the success of this country. Gettysburg. Wow. I go to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania to look and to watch.

Mark: To watch what? It’s not still going on. Yeah. Wow, that’s. Yeah. Can you just talk about the thing that you have no idea about? That’s. And this is what characterizes all of his speeches, doesn’t it? Yeah. Can you just talk about bleach, UV light and Covid and Gettysburg.

Jim: Right, okay.

Mark: statement number two. Yep.

Jim: I’ve been there many times. Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, it’s a beautiful place. There’s not a lot to see, but when you know about the history, you see a lot. And I know about the history. It was so important. And then Lincoln was there and he gave a speech. A lot of people say it was a good speech. I don’t know. No, it was great.

Mark: Yeah. And I know about the history. Yeah. There’s nothing I don’t know about history. Yep. Yep.

Jim: And statement number three, the statement of Robert E. Lee, who’s no longer in favor. Did you ever notice that? No longer in favor. Never fight uphill, me boys. Never fight uphill. They were fighting uphill. He said, wow, that was a big mistake. He lost his great general and they were fighting. Never fight uphill, me boys. But it was too late.

Mark: Right. I desperately want him to save me boys. Yeah, yeah. Because he was a pirate.

Jim: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Mark: Famously.

Jim: Yeah. Well known.

Mark: Famously a pirate. Yeah. Yeah. okay, so the, the one that I was a bit suspicious about was there’s not a lot to see, but when you know about the history you see a lot. Which kind of sounds far too clever for Trump. however, the completely general. It’s like. It’s like doing a book report on a book you’ve not read.

Jim: It might as well start. Webster’s dictionary defines Gettysburg.

Mark: Yeah, that’s right. Yeah. Yeah. And one unbelievable battle. Yeah. The battle against. What an unbeliever. But then there’s that little kind m of. What an unbelievable way. He realizes that he’s going to repeat himself. So he has to. And it was so much and so interesting and so vicious and horrible and so beautiful in so many different ways. Okay. But then. But you see, why aren’t I questioning the boys thing? Because that just. Okay. not a lot to see. When you know about history, you see a lot still a bit. And I know about history. A lot of people say it was a good speech. I don’t know. No, it was great. ugh. all right. Okay. On that complete no basis whatsoever other than, oh, no to look at, to watch. Okay. I’m gonna go. Number one is the one you made up.

Jim: Okay. So if the other two. Which are you more convinced by? I’m thinking for some reason it’s number three. Is that right?

Mark: Number three. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. My boys.

Jim: And number three.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: It’s real.

Donald Trump: The statement of Robert E. Lee, who’s no longer in favor. Did you ever notice that? No longer in favor. Never fight uphill, me boys. Never fight uphill. They were fighting uphill. He said, wow, that was a big mistake. He lost his great general and, they were fighting. Never fight uphill, me boys. But it was too late.

Mark: He said, wow. Yeah. I think Robert E. Lee said wow.

Jim: I don’t know where he’s read that. And obviously in his deep research that he’s done on Gettysburg, whichever biographer of Robert E. Lee was writing down the things that he said in battle. I

00:30:00

Jim: don’t know where he said, wow, that was a big mistake. It doesn’t sound like him. In the other stuff that I’ve seen that he said. No, normally it would be, you know, obviously in pirate speak.

Mark: Exactly.

Jim: They are that. Be a big mistake, me lads. Probably.

Mark: Wow. Yeah. It’s a bit like, Mr. Christian. Yeah.

Jim: Charles.

Mark: Charles Lawton. Yeah. It’s that kind of B boys, isn’t it? Is that.

Jim: Yeah, yeah. So. So that was. That was real in the sense that he said it.

Mark: Yeah. Yeah. That’s not the actual content yet.

Jim: The other one you think is true is number two.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: And number two.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Is fake. News.

Mark: Oh, there you go. Well done. Yeah. No, so that means.

Jim: Oh, my God.

Mark: Yeah. So the. There’s not a lot to see, but when you know about history, you see a lot. Yeah, spotted. it didn’t go with. It should have gone with gut.

Jim: Yeah.

Mark: Damn. Damn it.

Jim: That does mean that. Number one. That does mean Israel.

Donald Trump: Gettysburg. What an unbelievable battle that was. The battle of Gettysburg. What an unbelievable. I mean, it was so much and so interesting and so vicious and horrible and so beautiful in so many different ways. It represented such a big portion of the success of this country. Gettysburg.

Mark: Wow.

Donald Trump: I go to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania to look.

Mark: And to watch the. Wow. No, no, it’s like. Yeah, it’s like standing on stage and going, hello, Cleveland. Yeah, so you’re in Gettysburg. Oh, yeah. Gettysburg.

Jim: Wow.

Mark: Yeah. Tell us about Gettysburg. What do you know about. Oh, I know. I know all there is to know about Gettysburg. It was a. There was a battle, it was interesting and it was so much.

Jim: Yeah.

Mark: And so vicious and so horrible and so beautiful. It’s like, it’s like an ad sketch, isn’t it? And so beautiful in so many different ways. and it represented such a big portion of the success of this country is a. It’s a fifth great sentence, isn’t it vague? Yeah, it’s got. Your citation needed. Is that you put, if you were the history professor, after that you just go, ah, no, four, four out of ten.

Jim: I mean, it’s. Was it Frederick Douglass? He said, what’s it? We’re hearing more and more about him or something like that.

Mark: Yes.

Jim: Clearly something he’s never heard about before.

Mark: Yes. Yeah, that’s right.

Jim: Yeah. And this is just like, oh, I just have to vamp about Gettysburg for a couple of minutes. I know nothing. I think there was a battle and I couldn’t.

Mark: And I could not be bothered to read anything up about it. I’ve. I understand it’s a part of a big part of our history, but as a completely unsuited person for political life.

Jim: Jesus.

Mark: I haven’t bothered to ever look at that.

Jim: Someone who has never been curious about anything.

Mark: No. Other than how much can we screw some money out of people.

Jim: Yeah. We do have a few social contestants.

Mark: Well, well done. yeah, we’ve got a few new.

Jim: Listeners this week having appeared on God awful movies and on Cognitive Distance recently. So people, I believe, have followed us, back over here. So I should explain that every week when we record, we post the fake news statements up on our Facebook group@, facebook.com groups, fallacious trump and also on our patreon@patreon.com ftrump and people get to guess and play along and see if they can beat Mark. I do it literally at the beginning of when we start recording. There isn’t a set time. It’s usually either a confused or Sunday, sometimes a Monday. So you just have to kind of be in the groups and happen to be there when you get notifications and stuff. So yeah. So if you want to play along, join either the Patron or the Facebook group. And the people who have played along this week, we’ve got on Facebook we’ve got Andrew who says. Pretty sure I’ve heard number three quoted, sir. The first two. Number one almost sounds a bit awestruck and reverent. So I’m guess. I guess that’s the fake one.

Mark: Wow. Oh yeah. Yes, yes. You can look at it as awestruck and Rev. Yeah. Unbelievable battle. Just ignorant. Dumb struck and ignorant. Yeah, yeah.

Jim: meanwhile on Patron, Anders says since I’m first, I’ll go with the first one. Better than trying to pick them apart and fail.

Mark: See that was. Yeah. I fell. Fell into the trap. Yeah. But I had spotted to tell. I know. Yeah.

Jim: One eyed Nic.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Says this orange fascist. The answer is 2 him in his missing a bit here. Which I think is a completely reasonable response.

Mark: Absolutely. Yeah. I like the way the answer is to. Yeah, perfect. I’m missing a bit here. Yeah.

Jim: Stephen Bickle said

00:35:00

Jim: number one is made up and the US just fornicated the globe. Sorry about that.

Mark: Yeah, yeah. See. Yes. Well, there are lots of people agreeing with me. Yeah. So in a. In a way I’ve won.

Jim: You’re the people’s champion.

Mark: Yes. There you go. In a kind of Trumpian way, I’ve won because a lot of people are.

Jim: Saying it’s number one.

Mark: A lot of people. Yeah. Sir. it’s number one. Yeah, yeah.

Jim: Tears in their eyes. strong, strong people.

Mark: Strong people. Yeah. Great people. Beautiful. In so many different ways. Yeah. Of all have all agreed with me.

Jim: The Pizza Dude Chronicles on TikTok says they’re all made up. Some time ago we broke the timeline and are living in a simulation and everything is fake. But the actor playing Jim in this farce wrote the first one.

Mark: Ah, yeah. Playing Jim. Yeah. But. But again, another vote for me. Yeah.

Jim: Scott says, ah, number two is made up. There’s no way the Orange Menace would know that Gettysburg was in Pennsylvania. Especially if he was standing there when he said it.

Mark: Right. Looking and watching. Yeah. Ah. Ah. Why didn’t I Pick that.

Jim: Yeah.

Mark: Ah, not a lot to see, but when you know about history, you see a lot. Well, that’s. Well that is true.

Jim: Sweden says. Okay, I’m going with number two. Even with all the digressions, tangents and God awful ideas, number two is still too coherent. There’s conjunctions in there. And used reasonably properly for Trump.

Mark: Yeah, yeah.

Jim: And finally, yes, damn it, Invisible unicorn says. Pretty sure I heard or read 1 and 3. So I’m going to. Is fake. Hell, he’s poisoned the pond so much I’m not even sure what I’ve heard anymore. And I’m deeply despondent that you have the opportunity to do this for at least four more years.

Mark: yeah, yeah. See, well, in a way we’re kind of. Yes. Part of the sort of semblance of immunity that we put between us and the real world is that we would be doing this even if he didn’t get it.

Jim: Yes.

Mark: Because he would still be, stop us. No. Or him. Yeah, yeah.

Jim: So it’s time for the part of the show that this week at least is called the End of Democracy is not a Logical Fallacy.

Mark: Because yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesus. Because last episode we were saying. Yeah, well, you know, the polls won’t be in.

Jim: Yeah, I thought it’d be. I thought we wouldn’t know by now.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: And yet everyone did a great job of counting. We now, we now have the final. I think has, has Arizona been called now? I think, I think at the moment that might be the last one that we’re still waiting for. Yeah, like the official thing.

Mark: It depends on. You have to go.

Jim: I think CNN might call it. There’s the. Currently the BBC is, is still two to go, but 270 to win. Has them all called and it is 312 to Trump, versus 226, which is a little bit of a pile disparity than it was when Biden won in 2020. It was 303 to 235. So it’s a kind of one state difference. A smallish state at that. But yeah, Trump won all of the swing states, every single battleground state. Yeah, I kind of was expecting him maybe to take Georgia and Nevada and maybe Arizona, but I thought the northern ones, the blue wall, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, were probably going to go for Harris and possibly even North Carolina, but no. Yeah, they all went for Trump, which is super depressing and it seems to be.

Mark: Have been based on not any kind of policies at all, but all based on Trump’s lies. About.

Jim: Yeah, of course. What else could they possibly base it.

Mark: On and just appeal to people’s nostalgia for how gas was cheaper in four years ago. You know, everything was cheaper four years ago.

Jim: Yeah. The exit poll seemed to focus largely on. And the exit polls in the US are slightly different. In the uk, when they do exit polls, they actually ask people who they voted for, which seems logical to my mind, but then I’ve grown up with that system in the us, if I understand it correctly, in exit polls, they ask people things like, what was the most important issue for you when you voted? And things like that. They don’t actually ask who they voted for. So while a lot of people were saying abortion and democracy, the overwhelmingly most important thing that people said that they were looking at as an issue when they voted was the economy. And after that was immigration. And the economy is extremely good at the moment.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: But Trump has done a good job of making it sound bad.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: And to be fair, a lot of Americans lived experience of how much gases and how much groceries are.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: It’s still worse than it was before. It’s come down. You know, gas in some states, I think this week is. Is tipped to go below $3 a gallon, which is the lowest it’s been for a long time. But, it’s been slow to come down and groceries are still high.

Mark: That’s less than is in Europe.

Jim: It’s ridiculously cheap compared to Europe that you’ve got it so

00:40:00

Jim: good. Americans, you do not know how good you’ve got it in terms of gas. it’s insane. We pay so much more. Basically, it was. It’s a successful propaganda exercise of saying that America has a terrible economy, when actually, yeah, inflation is a real thing. But it was. It spiked globally and it has come down. Yes, significantly.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Unemployment is at a very low level in the US at the moment. The stock market is incredibly high, like, breaking records. By all the measures that Donald Trump will claim credit for in two months.

Mark: The moment he’s in. Yeah, yeah, of course, all of those.

Jim: Measures will have been coming down, like, from the point at which they were the worst. They have got better and better and better under Biden and will continue to get better until the beginning of January. And then Trump will say, look how great the economy is, because I am now the President Elect. And he will take credit for all of the continued trend because it takes a little while, because the US economy is like a giant oil tanker. It takes a little while to turn around. But make no mistake, he will absolutely.

Mark: Fuck it, tank it.

Jim: He will sink that oil tanker and everything will go to shit because he will do things like massive tariffs and tax cuts for the very rich and all of the things that don’t help.

Mark: And of course, in the process, for the last four years as a businessman, he’s been taking advantage of all of the economic boons that have gone on under Biden. He’s been taking advantage of all of that, and in the process, being able to afford to run for president and talk trash about the economy and people believe him. It’s been a triumphant campaign based on successfully distracting everyone’s gaze from a convicted, felonious businessman elite millionaire with a gold toilet, for Christ’s sake. He’s distracted from that. He is part of the problem insofar as he’s pulled out lots of the money from the economy and is not paying any taxes. So therefore the social safety net, housing, education, medicine, is not being funded by him. He’s avoiding doing that because he’s a crooked businessman. And yet he’s distracted people from that by saying the problem is all of these arrogance coming in. And that’s exactly what Boris Johnson did, is exactly what Farage does in order to make people think, oh, yeah, Farage, you’re one of us. You’re a man down a pub. You’re just as racist as the other people in Wetherspoons. You’re just like us. I’ll vote for you. Well, actually, he’s a millionaire ex city banker who dresses like a landowner from the 1930s. And people don’t seem to notice that. And Trump is exactly the same. He’s a. He is a. He is part of the swamp. he is one of the elites. And yet he successfully hoodwinked hundreds of millions of people into thinking he’s one of them.

Jim: Yeah.

Mark: And therefore they voted him in by blaming it all on the immigrants, blaming it on the economy, blaming it on the other guy. It’s been a triumph of feels over policy. Or the policies are. Yeah, we’ll get rid of all those immigrants coming over here, paying their taxes that I’ve been selling things to.

Jim: Yeah, yeah. I mean, essentially where we’re standing at the moment, this is. We’re recording this confused night, M. Friday, morning at UK time. And while the BBC still has Nevada and Arizona uncalled, others are, saying that they’ve. They’ve been called essentially for the presidential race for the Senate. We’re still waiting results, final results in Pennsylvania and Arizona, but they’re leaving blue. But the Republicans have got the Senate 52 to 48, which is not a surprise. But they did pick up a seat. They picked up the, West Virginia seat. I want to say that, Joe Manchin left vacant. I mean, he was barely a Democrat, but he still counted. I mean, he was an independent by the end because he left. But the House race is currently still up. There’s a possibility that the Democrats could hold the House. It doesn’t seem fully likely because it’s not a close presidential result.

Mark: Right.

Jim: For the first time in many years, the Republican candidate has won the popular vote. at the moment he’s up by a. Around four and a half million. That’s a significant chunk.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: So that’s, I mean, if anything, the most depressing thing. Yes, there’s a lot of depressing stuff to go around. It’s one of the

00:45:00

Jim: more depressing things because it’s not just the electoral college and the shitty system that has enabled him to eke out a win. It’s that, more than half of the people who voted actually.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Chose him.

Mark: Voted for him. Yeah.

Jim: And he hasn’t significantly increased his vote count since 2020, but.

Jim: Kamala Harris got significantly less votes than Joe Biden.

Mark: Right.

Jim: And that means a lot of Democrats stayed home. I’m guessing some of those were because of Israel and Gaza.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: And for some reason those people did not feel that in denying Kamala their vote, they made it more likely that Trump is going to win. And Trump is definitely, definitely going to be much, much worse for Gaza.

Mark: Yes.

Jim: No matter how bad you think the Harris Biden administration have been dealing with that situation. And it’s, and it’s not good. It’s not good. I’m not going to make excuses for them. I don’t think they’ve done it well. But, there is no question that Trump will handle that situation. Unbelievably. He will. He will, if anything, fund Israel to do their best to eradicate.

Mark: Finish the war quickly. Yes, yes, yes.

Jim: So that’s fucked. The fact that people made that choice because they either wanted to send a message or couldn’t hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Ultimately then giving the result to the greater of the two evils, which is obviously the wrong thing. That’s bad.

Mark: Yep.

Jim: But then it’s really hard to ignore the likelihood that a big other part of the equation is misogyny.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Racism is probably also in there too.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: But at least Obama did get elected and Kamala is incredibly qualified for this, for the job yeah. And there’s really very few reasons not to vote for her, especially when Trump is the opponent. And I can only think that people are more misogynistic, more racist, more bigoted and hateful than I thought that we’ve.

Mark: Accused them of already. Yeah, yeah.

Jim: Or possibly not that they are more those things, but that more people are those things. It’s just, it’s a greater proportion than I guess we’d hoped. We really. I guess still, I’m kind of feeling like I want, my brain wants to say until now. Felt.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Optimistic about human nature and people and America and all of that. And it’s hard to continue to feel that especially.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: I can only imagine for the disadvantaged by this election. Groups.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: In the US for people with uteruses, for minorities, for trans people, for all of the people for whom this will make their lives harder and scarier. And it’s just fucking depressing. I want to say I’m not angry, America, I’m just disappointed. But I am angry too.

Mark: Yeah. But also because the people that, you know, the misogynist, let’s call them rednecks. The whole sort of bro thing that spoke for this guy because he’s a convicted felon of serial sexual abuser and just the most heinous crime ridden guy who’s playing the system in order to get himself off those crimes. He’s a hero. Yeah. We love him. He’s gonna. Is be brilliant. If he was the king, it would be even better. And those are the people he doesn’t give a about.

Jim: Yeah.

Mark: They are the people that will feel comfortable that there’s somebody else to blame. There’s somebody below them. That’s what this is. It’s a triumph of you’re better than other people. You know, if you’re white, you’ve got a beard and a plaid shirt and you’re male and that then you’re fine and everybody else is. Is worse than you.

Jim: Ah.

Mark: And is to blame.

Jim: There is a, a significant aspect of that and there. And in terms of the proportions of people who vote in Trump’s favor, they make up an enormous chunk. But in this election compared to 2020, the way that people have moved white women have moved towards Harris away. They’re still more than 50% of them vote Republican, but less than in 2020. So that’s good. Young white males with no college degree have stayed Trump voters. As you know, Joe Rogan’s audience, that kind of people. But the biggest demographic shift is Latinos and Hispanics and they have shifted overwhelmingly towards Trump. Like by, by double digit percentages. I don’t. Yeah, I don’t understand. I’m not going to pretend to understand what that community’s desires and wants are and why that might have

00:50:00

Jim: happened. I’m not even gonna. You know, they’re not a monolith. It’s not like they’re all thinking the same. So, yeah, it’s.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: There’s probably many nuanced reasons for it. I don’t, I can’t begin to think what they could be significantly more, on the male side and Hispanic males and Latino males rather than women. But even the women have still moved Trumpwards. And I don’t get it. There’s probably quite a lot to unpack and I think there’s probably quite a lot for the Democratic Party to figure out actually what they need to be doing differently.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Because to lose to Trump this year, given the fact that the economy is actually reasonably good and really good, actually.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: And that he is a convicted felon.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: And he did it before and was terrible at it.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: There’s so many reasons not to vote for him. And yet they did. So there’s going to be some soul searching and figuring out what the fuck’s going on in America.

Mark: I wonder whether it’s. It’s got parallels in the UK that the left is very good at being nuanced and all encompassing of its hinterland. But what that can lead to is a very confused message, you know, which we only need to go back to Corbyn and whatever his stance on Brexit was, because he’s on the left and he was on the left of the left. He’s uncomfortable at adopting one position that would alienate part of the voter base. But what he should have done was say, yes, we’re all for Remain, Course we are. Because he had ancient Socialist Union views about the creeping European plan, which were fine. but they were like nuanced and actually they should have just gone with the remainder. Seen the writing on the wall and seen how the right is very good at. Or Boris Johnson’s right. Not cameras. Right. But the right wing is very good at keeping it very simple. We did, one episode where we listed all of the three word slogans because that carries. Well, you haven’t got to, you know, it’s not a bit like one of our T shirts says, it’s a little bit more complicated than that. Well, it is, but when. But politics is about just campaigning on the slew, sloganeering. And that’s what Starmer got right this time when it was all about being the candidate for change. You can bring about change if you vote. And it’s a bit like Obama’s, you know, yes, we can. We can do the Bob the Builder. We can. We, you know, it’s all about hope and we can bring about change. And Trump was. The country’s destroyed. Make America great again. So it’s glittering generalities. Back to that again. And that’s. And the left didn’t have one. Harris. Harris didn’t have one. What is. What was the Democrats memorable slogan?

Jim: We’re not going back. I think it worked really well, but obviously not enough what was needed, I guess. But yeah. Anyway, there’s gonna be a lot of fallout for this that we’ll be discussing, I’m sure, in the coming weeks, months and years.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: I think one thing we’re gonna try and do possibly next week, certainly, soon, is talk about what can be done. Not necessarily to stop the stuff that’s happening, but to get involved and make a difference and help people, even if it’s only on a local level.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: But I think at the moment it’s okay to feel like everything is shit.

Mark: For a little while.

Jim: It’s okay to feel those feelings. And there’s a certain amount of grieving. I think that probably is healthy for what we thought could be that isn’t now gonna happen. But.

Mark: Yeah, exactly.

Jim: The other thing I think is to be kind to yourself and to other people and to be there for other people and to be part of a community if you can, if you have one locally or online and have people that you can talk to.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: Don’t make any kind of big life decisions right now.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: When you’re upset or angry, whether that’s about kind of moving away or whatever, there’s time for those kinds of decisions in terms of communities, you know, if nothing else, our Facebook community is lovely, lovely people and are, all very friendly. So you can join us on facebook.com group felicistrump. I’m. I’m going to start up a discord as well, which I hopefully I’ll do by the time this episode’s out. And I’ll put it. If you go to fallacioustrump.com discord that’ll

00:55:00

Jim: take you there, will take you to a page that says, I haven’t quite done it yet.

Mark: Yeah.

Jim: But I know that some people just aren’t on Facebook. They don’t want to be on Facebook. Completely understandable. And I know that some people on other Shows that I follow, like the Discord community and it’s, another place that people can be and chat to others. Right. So I’m going to do that and yeah, talk to people about how you’re feeling. Reach out and, and make sure, if you have friends who might be going through a difficult time, reach out and see how they are.

Mark: And I, don’t know that if you’re thinking of immigrating to the uk, our listenership. I don’t think that Farage will count you as undesirable immigrants. So, you know, yeah, maybe, maybe. M. Don’t be hasty, but there’s plenty of room. M. Don’t listen to people. Canada’s quite big, isn’t it?

Jim: Oh, there’s loads of room in Canada.

Mark: That’s a room. yeah, yeah. Quite cold this time of year though. M. And finally some things we really don’t have time to talk about.

Jim: Keen to distance himself from comparisons to Hitler, Trump chose the venue of the largest Nazi supporting rally in US history for one of his last big campaign events. Just as we were recording our last episode, around 19,000 New Yorkers with poor decision making skills crammed into Madison Square Garden to watch awful people say awful things. Racist Roast comic Tony Hinchcliffe called Puerto Rico a, floating island of garbage. But in his defence, he was also racist about Jews and black people. So that’s totally fine. And a great choice to open the rally. Hulk Hogan spoke and once again struggled to rip his T shirt off, which you’d really think he would have practiced after fucking it up so badly at the rnc. He also claimed, I don’t see no stinking Nazis in here. Presumably because the sunglasses he was wearing had been fully blacked out so he could performatively channel Horatio Nelson. All the speakers got WWE style entrance music and it’s possible whoever chose the music was fucking with them. Trump lawyer Alina Harbour, who cost him almost half a billion dollars when she lost his fraud case in New York, came on to DJ Khalid’s All I Do Is Win. And black Florida congressman Byron Donald was introduced to the strains of Dixie, a song that originated in minstrel shows, typically sung by white performers in blackface. Tucker Carlson mocked Kamala’s mixed heritage. Sid Rosenberg called her husband a crappy Jew. And Stephen Miller said, america is for Americans and Americans only, almost directly quoting the aforementioned 1939 Nazi rally. When Trump finally took the stage, he once again promised mass deportations and doubled down on, racist debunked lies about Venezuelan prison gangs taking over apartment buildings in Colorado. And it all fucking worked.

Mark: Poor deluded RFK Jr is laboring under the misapprehension that Trump gives a shit about returning any favors. He’s not the fucking Godfather as much as he thinks it’s always Donald as in Duck, not Don as in Corleone. RFK Jr. Thinks he did Donny the favor of dropping out of the presidential race and heaving all his massive, support into endorsing Trump, though he still appeared on the ballot in some states and people voted for him. Yeah, that’ll please the neuron has for sure. On Monday, RFK said the key which President Trump has promised me is control of the public health agencies, which is hhs, cdc, fda, NIH and a few others, and also the usda, which is, you know, key to making America healthy. Because we got to get off seed oils and we got to get off pesticides and we need to make that transition to regenerative agriculture. Now don’t be fooled by the joined up sentences he’s using or that he’s learned health related acronyms. RFK is notoriously an anti vaccine activist and founder of the Children’s Health Defense, a prominent anti vaccine nonprofit that’s campaigned against immunizations and other public health measures like water fluoridation. But Trump thinks he’s a good man and he believes, he believes the environment, the healthy people. He wants healthy people. He wants healthy food. Given that Trump is the epitome of poacher termed gatekeeper, that tells you all you need to know about RFK’s fitness for that office. The Trump campaign added that he will work alongside passionate voices like RFK Jr. To make America healthy again by providing families with safe food. By investigating what is causing the decades long increase in chronic illnesses, Trump’s predilection for feeding everybody McDonald’s every chance he gets might have something to do with it.

Jim: Biden responded to Tony Hinchcliffe’s remarks about Puerto Rico while on a video call with Voto Latino, a civic engagement group. He said, the only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters. Republicans who have spent nine years defending Trump’s demonization of Democrats, all immediately clutched their collective pearls and wondered how any could possibly say such a mean thing. The White House claimed that there was actually an apostrophe in the word supporters and Joe just

01:00:00

Jim: meant that guy’s rhetoric was garbage, not the people themselves. And Kamala distanced herself from this comment, saying, I strongly disagree with any criticism of people based on who they vote for, but you know what? Fuck them. A Huge number of people who still support Trump and voted for Trump are garbage. Biden should have owned the comment. What are Trump supporters going to do? Not vote for Kamala. Of course. By focusing entirely on Biden’s remark, Trump and code distracted everyone from the original horrendously racist comment made on his behalf by, well, being insane. Trump supporters showed up to vote dressed in garbage bags, which they had trouble justifying. When Davram Siefler of the Good Liars questioned their logic, the current so called.

Trump supporter #1: President of the United States called Trump supporters garbage. We showed up as garbage. We’re gonna wear that proudly because we are Trump supporters.

Davram Siefler: And so can you tell me how wearing the garbage bags proves that you’re not garbage?

Trump supporter #1: Oh, just as the back says. But, Biden can call us garbage. Trump calls us Americans.

Trump supporter #2: Calls us Americans.

Davram Siefler: Right, but you’re dressed as, Biden defined you, not as Trump defined you.

Trump supporter #1: Well, well, I think, I think more of, we’re taking it as a joke at this point.

Davram Siefler: Like, like it would make sense if you were wearing an American flag and you said, Biden calls us garbage and Trump calls us Americans. You’re wearing an American flag.

Trump supporter #2: I’m confused.

Jim: Yes, they are confused.

Mark: There you go. Ah, yeah. Not thought that through. Yeah.

Jim: Meanwhile, Trump kicked off his next rally in Green Bay by wearing a reflective orange vest which matched his face almost exactly, and rode around the parking lot in a garbage truck. Well, he did, after he finally managed to get into the truck, having missed the door handle on the first couple of attempts and nearly falling on his ass. But hey, just because he can’t open a door, close an umbrella, hold a glass of water in one hand, or walk down a ramp, I’m sure he’s still capable of running the entire fucking country, right? Not that we’ve been hurting for metaphors for the upcoming Trump administration lately, but an old guy cosplaying as a useful worker, being driven in circles in a garbage truck emblazoned with his name does seem apropos. And it fucking worked.

Mark: In the Haunting of Alma Fielding, the true tale of a 1930s British housewife who complained of a poltergeist in her, home. The investigation of which by the London Spiritual Institute was subsequently debunked in favour of an assessment by Sigmund Freud, no less. Freud agreed that Alma’s visitations were the result of repressed experience of abuse as a child. Tucker Carlson similarly told us of claw marks left by a demon that attacked him in the night a year and a half ago. And, now he seemingly revealed that these are the same demons that invented nuclear technology on a sensible, reasonable, investigative and reputable podcast hosted by a, Steve Bannon. Okay, scratch those epithets. Carlson began straightforwardly enough. Nuclear weapons are demonic. There’s no upside to them at all. Well, yeah, fair enough. Suck. Bit flowering, archaic. But I’m with you so far. And anyone who claims otherwise is either ignorant. Yeah, okay, bit confrontational, but I get your passion. Or doing the bidding of the forces that created nuclear technology in the first place. Okay, yeah, could be siding with the enemy and so on. Which were not human forces, obviously. What? Let me ask you this, he continued. What was the moment we could point to that nuclear technology was invented? I’ve never met a person who can isolate the moment when nuclear technology became known to man. German scientists in the 1930s really named the date. Yeah, okay. I think, like most scientists involved in scientific endeavors, the likes of Otto Hahn, Niels Bohr, and maybe even Albert Einstein did a lot of writing things down. So there’s that you could look at. It’s very clear to me that these nuclear weapons are demonic. And that’s the conclusion you reach for your lack of knowledge of the history of atomic physics. Are we surprised that you’ve never met a person who can isolate the moment? They’re not really your tribe, I’d say, Tucker, you’re more the bro science ball, tanning end of men kind of demographic. The kind of people that don’t do a lot of book learning is what I’m trying to say. However, a quick sweep of Wikipedia will probably reveal all you’d need to know to learn that demons didn’t really have so, very much to do with it, or a quick squeeze at an Oscar winning Christopher Nolan movie would at least let you hear about the cast of likely characters involved in nuclear research in the 30s. Just saying. Perhaps we, like Freud, should possibly conclude childhood trauma is at the heart of Tucker

01:05:00

Mark: Carlson and extend our sympathetic embrace. You know, much like Carlson’s wife and four dogs asleep in his bed did when the demon left claw marks on him 18 months ago. Still, could be worse. A worm could have eaten his brain, and he could be prospecting for the job as health secretary.

Jim: Since Nixon and Hubert Humphrey in 1968, both major party presidential candidates for every election have sat down with 60 minutes for an interview in the closing months of the campaign. This year, as usual, both candidates were invited, both accepted, and then Trump chickened out. The first reason given by Trump spokesman Steven Chung was that they insisted on fact checking, which he claimed is unprecedented. You might not be surprised to learn that 60 minutes fact checks every story they do. Later, Trump claimed that the reason he ran away like a little pussy was because 60 Minutes has never apologised for his interview in 2020, when Lesley Stahl claimed Hunter Biden’s laptop came from Russia. She never actually claimed that. Kamala did show up for her interview, though, and Trump made the best of it by calling the fact the interview was edited election interference. In all his years of experience of TV production, you see, he’s used to things just going out live. They definitely didn’t edit out all the N words he used on set of The Apprentice. Anyway, 60 Minutes gave a clip of one of Kamala’s answers to Face the Nation to get some promotion of the interview earlier in the day, but used a more succinct clip in the actual show. This, Trump claimed was irrefutable proof, although he probably pronounced it irrefutable, that CBS was deliberately interfering on Kamala’s behalf. All this happened several weeks ago and it was such a dumb story we didn’t even cover it. But it turns out maybe it wasn’t quite dumb enough to pique our interest because now it’s got 400% dumber. And here we are, because last week Trump sued CBS for $10 billion in a federal court in Texas. Why Texas? Well, they specifically chose the Northern District of Amarillo, a remote venue with only one judge, a 2019 Trump appointee named Matthew Kaczmarek. If that name feels familiar, maybe it’s because he’s the judge who tried to suspend the FDA’s approval of the abortion drug mifepristone. In fact, according to Accountable Us, Republican led states and right wing special interest groups have funnelled 14 cases to judge Kismarik’s court, nearly all of which have had very little reason to be filed in that specific venue, and all of which Ksmarek has nonetheless accepted. Trump’s case against CBS relies on a Texas law that prevents advertisers misleading the public about products. Yes, you’re right, that’s insane. And Harvard Con law professor Noah Feldman called it an outrageous violation of First Amendment principles. But on the other hand, Kazmarek hasn’t felt particularly tied to actual law in the past, so this will probably fucking work too.

Mark: In a video posted on X and other social media sites, a man claims, yesterday we voted in Gwinnett county and today we’re voting in Fulton County. We have all our documents, driver’s license, we invite all Haitians to come to America and bring families. It ticked all the boxes. Voter fraud, targeting the places targeted last time. Oh, and throw in some recent pet chomping illusions at the same time. It is of course all fake. In a statement, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the FBI and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency said the intelligence community assesses that Russian influence actors manufactured the video. And Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said his office was working with state and federal partners to determine the source and urged ex owner Elon Musk and the leadership of other social media platforms to remove the video. It’s all a bit academic now, but you can see the extent of the groundwork put in by could it be the Trump team just asking the groundwork lade should the result not gone the right way so it could all be pulled out and aired as part of The Big Lie 2.0? When contacted by CBS News in direct messages on X, the person behind the account posting the video said they’d received the video from a source who regularly pays them to upload content. They also said they believe the source is from Australia and that the source’s account was recently suspended on X, the intelligence agencies added this Russian activity is part of Moscow’s broader effort to raise unfounded questions about the integrity of the US Election and stoked divisions amongst Americans. And all you can do is heave a sigh and note how everyone involved with Trump was intent on doing exactly the same thing too. And the only somewhat horrifying conclusion we can reach is that, it worked. But props to Raffensberger and all his people for upholding the rule of law and nailing the fakers one by one like a flea biting an elephant. Eventually it’ll kill it and annoy the fuck out of it along the way.

Jim: Fans of movie stunts know that there are some epic falls that are hard to beat. Jackie Chan

01:10:00

Jim: sliding down a massive glass building in who Am I? For example, John Paul Belmondo’s incredible fall down a rocky slope in the burglar, or the award winning fall down a seemingly never ending hill in the rundown. But never has a fall been more entertaining than Rudy Giuliani’s fall from grace, arguably starting in earnest exactly four years ago tonight in the parking lot of Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Philadelphia, Rudy has hit tree after metaphorical tree on the way down and found himself in court once again today because he still hasn’t handed over all his worldly belongings to the poll workers he defamed on Trump’s behalf, an indignity Trump still hasn’t paid him for. Ruby Freeman and Shamos were awarded $148 million in damages last year, and Rudy just didn’t pay up. Presumably he was hoping that if he delayed for long enough and Trump got in, then he could somehow get the Supreme Court to make him immune from defamation or something. Anyway, eventually the judge ruled that they get to have just all his stuff, including his $5 million Manhattan apartment, a 1980 Mercedes convertible once owned by Lauren Bacall, 26, luxury watches, his TV furniture and sports memorabilia. They showed up at the apartment last week with their attorney and a moving company to estimate the cost of collecting their stuff and found that it had been virtually emptied a few weeks before. When ordered to court to explain this, Rudy’s lawyer claimed he couldn’t come because he was doing a live radio show in Florida that day. But the judge was unsympathetic. When he did show up in court, his lawyers claimed that they didn’t know where all his stuff was, despite the fact Rudy was seen driving around in the Mercedes in Palm beach on Tuesday. And anyway, Moss and Freeman are being vindictive in trying to make him pay what he owes them. This actually made the judge a bit angry, and he pointed out that it doesn’t matter if you’re a bodega owner or the former mayor. If they owe a debt, they owe a debt. Gave him a deadline of November 14th to hand over all his staff and added if he hasn’t delivered and there was a way in which he could have delivered, then there’s going to be contempt sanctions.

Mark: Whoa. They’re just going to have to kind of follow him home and take key out of his hand and oh, man. In other election news this side of the pond MP Cammy Badenoch, who reportedly could start a fight in an empty room, has won the leadership election and is now the leader of the Tory party. Thankfully not her, rival, Robert Jenrick, because he said he would have re employed Haunted Pencil Jacob Rees Mogg as party chair In a report of the content of her first Shadow Cabinet meeting leaked to the Spectator magazine, Badenoch wants Shadow Cabinet meetings to be a safe space for political debate and to be impervious to leaks. Her cabinet consists of luminaries that Badenoch herself said she was better than, insofar as she’s not been associated with any scandal or sacked. Smirking bully Preeti Patel investigated and disgraced Robert Jenrick and leadership race loser Mel Stride. Despite their presence, the Tory right is not really there, said one shadow cabinet member. It’s a very one nation team. Given that she won only the sport of a third of MPs in the parliamentary rounds, it means that some in that one Nation party are already speculating as to whether she will lead them into the general election. Could mean we get James, let’s be more normal, cleverly back again. Oh joy. Meanwhile, grotesque populist racist frog faced Nigel Farage has been ensuring he works for his constituents in Clacton by flying to Mar a Lago to be seen beside the grotesque, populist racist Toad King. Nigel alienated his electorate still further by reporting how happy he was to be in Florida instead of dreary England and offered to be the go between between Trump and Starmer’s Labour government. Keir’s team politely declined. I suspect they also impolitely laughed so much two jets of tea shot out of their noses.

Jim: So that’s all the bad arguments and faulty reasoning we have time for this week. You’ll find the show notes@fallacioustrump.com and if you hear Trump say something stupid and want to ask if it’s a fallacy, our contact details are on the contact page.

Mark: If you think we’ve used the fallacy ourselves, let us know. And if you’ve had a good time, please give us a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Or simply tell one other person in person about how much they like our podcast and you can support the show@, patreon.comf TRUMP Just like our new newest patron Robin, our strawman level patrons Mike Smith, LT Colleen Liela, Richard Thunder Hopkins, Will M. Scott Ozzy on Bank, Laura Tomsick, Mark Reiche and Amber R. Buchanan who told us when we met her at QED we can just call her Amber. This year at QED I met the listener who recognize her at QED last year because we kept using her full name all the time. And our true Scotsman level patron Schmootz Sharon Romney, Renee Z, Melissa Citek, Stephen Bickle, Janet Hueta, Andrew Halk and our top patron Kaz Tuohy. Thank you

01:15:00

Mark: so much for your continued patronage. It really is very, very much appreciated.

Jim: You can connect with those awesome people as well as us and other listeners in the facebook group@facebook.com groups Felicia Trump.

Mark: All music is by the outbursts and was used with permission. So until next time on Felix Trump, we’ll leave the last word to the Donald.

Donald Trump: That’s right, go home to mommy. Bye.

01:15:22

Tags:
, , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
Jim Cliff
jim@fallacioustrump.com


Social media & sharing icons powered by UltimatelySocial